[wxs3]

I can't remember if I posted this before, but I have done this on 2 of my strats and it works.  My strats stay in tune (except when there is a really bad thunderstorm in the area).  I also have graphite nuts and locking tuners which help.  If you have a strat and can't keep it in tune then try this, it really works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-F7iSIopA&feature=related

[bzzdog]

damn it. this totally made me want a strat again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CityofBlindingLights]

Yeah, it works.

Especially a good lubricant at all contact points.

[Echad]

Didn't they invent Kahlers, Floyds and Edges, like, before most of us were born? You people are that much backwards?

WTF, he wasted that much time to bend up a semitone? I can bend up and down half an octave and I didn't waste a second on setting up the tremolo! And the need for the locking tuners and or nut sauce or graphite was eliminated by the locking nut. I also do not need balls at the end of a string and therefore do not need to worry about it breaking at the bridge... A lot of Fender's idiosyncrasies were fixed since the time they were formed. Hell, even my mom wasn't born when this was modern and of any use.

A good lubricant at all contact points

Plug in slowly, starting with a single finger, before going in full claw. And don't forget an enema! Sorry, could not resist.

Really, all this flawed tremolo stuff is pure anal sex, measuring spring tension and all. Bloody compulsive freaks!

BTW, this forum highlights an*l s*x, but not fucking shit... Budd, be careful — you censor gives away your preferences.

[Whitmore]

Didn't they invent Kahlers, Floyds and Edges, like, before most of us were born? You people are that much backwards?

WTF, he wasted that much time to bend up a semitone? I can bend up and down half an octave and I didn't waste a second on setting up the tremolo! And the need for the locking tuners and or nut sauce or graphite was eliminated by the locking nut. I also do not need balls at the end of a string and therefore do not need to worry about it breaking at the bridge... A lot of Fender's idiosyncrasies were fixed since the time they were formed. Hell, even my mom wasn't born when this was modern and of any use.

A good lubricant at all contact points

Plug in slowly, starting with a single finger, before going in full claw. And don't forget an enema! Sorry, could not resist.

Really, all this flawed tremolo stuff is pure anal sex, measuring spring tension and all. Bloody compulsive freaks!

BTW, this forum highlights an*l s*x, but not fucking shit... Budd, be careful — you censor gives away your preferences.

Three words.

Vintage bent saddles.

[oilpit]

Even thought I know that your trolling Echad and probably (hopefully) don't believe the crap that your saying, ignorance does piss me off.

For those who care about range of pitch, then yeah, floyds are better (Kahlers suck, hard)
For those who care about TONE, a regular vintage 6 screw trem is the way to go every time.

I would even be inclined to reverse your argument,

A big, ugly, tone sucking, clumsy, floyd (don't get me started on the locking nut) was outdated before it was invented, by proper care of your guitar. Also, EVH, Jimi Hendrix and David Gilmour would argue that "old fashioned" tremolos work just fine.

[alfaromeo90]

Thanks WSX3, i didn't know that.  I rely a lot on graphite/graphtech nuts which help greatly.  Changes the tone a bit so unacceptable to some.  I wouldn't say the tone is worse, just different.

[wxs3]

Thanks WSX3, i didn't know that.  I rely a lot on graphite/graphtech nuts which help greatly.  Changes the tone a bit so unacceptable to some.  I wouldn't say the tone is worse, just different.

You're welcome.  Sharing information is a good thing.  Maybe Budd or City will sticky this for future reference.

[damonstewart70]

Locking nuts do suck away lots of tone,anyone should be able to hear that.Notes just seem to RING TRUE without any locking mechanism at the nut,more VIBEration being transfered.That being said a whammy addict like myself absolutely love SPERZEL LOCKING TUNERS,FENDER BULLITS & GRAPHITE POWDER.Last time i played LIVE I put my guitar on the floor,stepped on the bar,yanked it up by the bar,all the circus stunts & never went out of tune.Seriously

[JAMESDP100]

Has any one looked into the super vee trems? they're supposed to be better than floyds and Eric Johnson uses them so they must not
suck the tone. the installation is also non invasive and can be uninstalled with no signs it was even really there. I tried that Carl Verheyen trick awhile back didn't work, maybe my strings were too thick idk.

[KH Guitar Freak]

This "Floyd sucks tone" thing is blown way out of proportion. I bet if people did a blind audio test between two guitars, one with vintage trem and the other with a Floyd, I bet not many can tell which is which...

[slugworth]

It's not the Floyd's fault directly.  It's a side effect of having a big chunk of wood chopped out of the middle of a guitar that impacts tone, and it just means that less of the overall tone is going to come from the wood, and more from everything else.

[wxs3]

It's not the Floyd's fault directly.  It's a side effect of having a big chunk of wood chopped out of the middle of a guitar that impacts tone, and it just means that less of the overall tone is going to come from the wood, and more from everything else.

Most of the Floyds I've seen sit on top and use the original space set up the a stock trem. on some strats.  The ones that float usually don't have a lot of wood taken out just enough to float the bridge, is that enough to effect tone, I don't know.  Either way, you  can compensate with a oversized brass block which is a 100% improvement in tone.  But if you don't have a floyd and use a stock fender trem, this trick does work when setup correctly.

[CityofBlindingLights]

I've played Floyds without a problem.

My beef with Floyd Rose systems, is that by the time I have the thing set up to play, I'm bored/frustrated and have lost all interest in wanting to play. My vintage trems get me where I need to go just fine, I don't have many tuning issues. Yeah, occasionally it may happen, but that's if I'm going SEVERELY wild. Honestly, my ridiculously bluesy bends put the strings out of tune more often than my vintage trem.

And god forbid if I'm playing a Floyd guitar and want to play in drop d...

[slugworth]

There's a product for that COBL... the D-Tuna.  I'm not a Floyd guy but I've played 'em and they seem to work pretty well.