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The Pickup Place / Re: What's the most sledgehammer-ly DiMarzio?
« on: November 08, 2017, 06:22:37 PM »
Well the Super 3 is really stunted on the top end.  Very compressed=no detail.  It's got the power and speed, but it overtakes the guitar's natural tone.

Honestly that's kind of what DiMarzios do in my experience, so I may be barking up the wrong tree.

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The Pickup Place / Re: CLEAN & CHORDS: Tone Zone or Norton?
« on: November 08, 2017, 06:20:35 PM »
Damn that's a headache! But sounds like in your case it's worth the payoff.

The Norton sucked nuts in my PRS, all honk and piercing high end with no sparkle or depth/dimension, yet also not a hard punch for metal-the best of no worlds.

I think I'll go back to the Tone Zone.  It has more power, more dimension, and more upper detail.

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The Pickup Place / What's the most sledgehammer-ly DiMarzio?
« on: October 29, 2017, 12:27:03 PM »
Got a 1989 USA Neck Through Warlock here.  It came with matching vintage DiMarzio PAFs.  Expected it to have a Super Distortion in the bridge.

Here's what I want from a hot bridge humbucker- I want it to hit with a broad, all-at-once battering ram kind of sound.  Not a stab, but a bludgeon.  I know this means ceramic.

I've used the Super 3 before and I think that's a great candidate, my only concern being that it's a bit of a one trick pony.  I can live with that since this is supposed to be my dedicated metal guitar.

I'm curious about the Dominion bridge.

Other suggestions?

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The Pickup Place / Re: CLEAN & CHORDS: Tone Zone or Norton?
« on: September 10, 2017, 08:01:31 PM »
I think being able to play certain chords and having it sound clean and clear har more to do with the amp and/or the pedals.

But the Steves Special is a good suggestion for chordplaying since its not congested (ie lacks) in the mids. However thats all it's good for IMO. Hate it for leadplaying but then I'm a midrange junkie.
I hear all that.  I play more low gain than saturated so the SS makes sense, but yes it's very flat.

I'm leaning towards trying more of the newer neck pups in the bridge, which was DiMarzio Tech's suggestion.  Transition neck, Liquifire (amazing bridge pickup, though can be a bit flat/sterile like the SS), Gravity Storm neck.  I need an endorsement so I can try em all:)

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The Pickup Place / Re: CLEAN & CHORDS: Tone Zone or Norton?
« on: September 09, 2017, 10:26:24 AM »
I've done the Air Zone, which I refer to as the Castrati Tone Zone:). Like a Tone Zone minus everything that makes it great.

Besides the honk issue, any advice on medium output pups that are great for triads?

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The Pickup Place / CLEAN & CHORDS: Tone Zone or Norton?
« on: September 07, 2017, 02:24:09 PM »
So I've tried both pickups before, and have extensive Tone Zone experience.  I elected to go with a Norton in the bridge of my PRS McCarty 594, specifically because I'd used the TZ so much in the past, and wanted to retain the option of a slightly lower output PAF sound in the bridge, with enough power and immediacy to do the metal thing also when needed (I play a lot of variety).

Out of the gate, I'm regretting the Norton and wishing I'd stuck with the Tone Zone.  Despite its higher output and bass, I feel the TZ has more natural, less honky sounds for cleans and light grit, and a less honky nasal lead tone.

I play a lot of double stops in my lead playing, and my rhythm/lead uses lots of "small chords," three-note chords on strings  2-4 and 1-3.

Anyone else weigh in on this?

General TZ vs Norton discussion welcome always:)

Gaucho

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The Pickup Place / Tone Zone/PAF Master Neck combo (video run through)
« on: April 01, 2016, 01:18:32 PM »
Reclaiming the Tone Zone as a fantastic, versatile, not-for-metal-only pickup is one of my missions in life. 

https://youtu.be/zlxHidH7Ivo

The PAF Master Neck is a jewel too.  Nothing that's gonna change your life (unlike the Tone Zone) but a great warm, open neck pickup with plenty of bite to cut through.  I'd say you could use it with literally any bridge pickup.

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My alder bodied, mahogany neck, ebony board Warmoth Soloist has a beautiful sound unplugged- warm, balanced, resonant, shimmery, and long sustaining.

It has the JB/Jazz set, covered.  My problem is something like mush- not muddy exactly, it just doesn't have the punch and immediacy I want.  I'm accustomed to hardtails, and with the gain turned up it just doesn't have the right combination of cajones and cut.  The JB has plenty of high highs (pick attack), but overall I do not find it a bright pickup.  It's extremely warm actually.

I've had a Crunch Lab which cut great but is just too compressed, it robs this beautiful instrument of its nuance.

I typically go Alnico though I'm not against ceramic.  I actually think k the Duncan Custom (SH-5).

I'm thinking-
Dominion bridge
Norton
Mo Joe

What else?

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Everything you wanted to know about .... / Re: Liquifire
« on: February 03, 2016, 11:06:26 AM »
Has anybody tried this pickup in the BRIDGE position!? I just recently installed it wired to an On/On/On mini switch and it sounds pretty decent in all applications (Series split and parallel). Only problem, for me, was that it sounded alot like the Super 3 that came stock in the bridge. Pretty similar EQ. And the single coil tone was not very fantastic due to over powering mids. This is why I didn't enjoy it in the neck of my other guitar. The output was nice tho, (as I'm kind of gearing towards more medium output for this Super Strat) and parallel sounded great too!
https://youtu.be/OCIHQugA910

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Everything you wanted to know about .... / Re: The Crunch Lab
« on: January 24, 2016, 03:58:41 PM »
https://youtu.be/mxYcz4jUMVU

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The Pickup Place / Re: Humbucker From Hell: an alternate view
« on: January 10, 2016, 11:23:08 AM »
I use 20 or so different amps and I'm an amp and guitar tech, so........

I know how they describe it, maybe with 9s or some other rubber band its that bright but I just do not hear it.  There are other conventional humbuckers that are brighter, tighter, and more single-coil like.

If you really want single-coil like, get a Firebird pickup. 

I've tried it over the years many times in many guitars, it just is not bright enough, tight enough, so qualify for single-coil like to me.  I wish it was, and I wish DiMarzio would make something that was, but they do not. 

It sounds like a low wind paf.  It's not muddy, but it's not tight either, it's woody.  The high end doesn't have enough edge to it to be in any sort of single coil category. 

I honestly like it a lot more with ceramic, but you have to remove one of the spacers to get a normal size magnet in there.   The stock pickup has a spacer on both coils and an under-sized A5.
I heard all that. My complaint isn't that it's not single coilish enough- you pick up a Strat if you want a Strat sound.  My point of contention was that it's not transparent.  It really dictates the sound of the guitar more than many others, and more than most PAFs.

I don't understand how it cold sound like a typical low wind PAF when DiMarzio specifically designed it to be unlike a typical PAF.  I've played lower wind older PAFs and they sound nothing like the HFH.

Re: my guitar, jeez...Tone Zone, Crunch Lab/Liquifire, HFH (both positions), Air Norton (both positions), Norton (both positions), PAF Master set (Bridge pickup tried in both positions), Fred (both positions), X2N, D-Activator X or whatever that thing's called, Dimebucker, JB, Jazz, 59 neck, SH-5 Custom, PAF Pro, Steve's Special, AT-1, FS-1...maybe forgetting a few.

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Forgot Schaller Golden 50s, several Japanese Jackson neck pickups, Ibanez V7/V8 w/ magnet swap, SIN pickups Rapture neck, SIN Pickups PAF and one other I can't remember, some Vintage DiMarzio PAF set, Super Distortion, Super 3...

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The Pickup Place / Re: Humbucker From Hell: an alternate view
« on: January 10, 2016, 11:20:45 AM »
I use 20 or so different amps and I'm an amp and guitar tech, so........

I know how they describe it, maybe with 9s or some other rubber band its that bright but I just do not hear it.  There are other conventional humbuckers that are brighter, tighter, and more single-coil like.

If you really want single-coil like, get a Firebird pickup. 

I've tried it over the years many times in many guitars, it just is not bright enough, tight enough, so qualify for single-coil like to me.  I wish it was, and I wish DiMarzio would make something that was, but they do not. 

It sounds like a low wind paf.  It's not muddy, but it's not tight either, it's woody.  The high end doesn't have enough edge to it to be in any sort of single coil category. 

I honestly like it a lot more with ceramic, but you have to remove one of the spacers to get a normal size magnet in there.   The stock pickup has a spacer on both coils and an under-sized A5.
I heard all that. My complaint isn't that it's not single coilish enough- you pick up a Strat if you want a Strat sound.  My point of contention was that it's not transparent.  It really dictates the sound of the guitar more than many others, and more than most PAFs.

I don't understand how it could sound like a typical low wind PAF when DiMarzio specifically designed it to be unlike a typical PAF.  I've played lower wind older PAFs and they sound nothing like the HFH.

Re: my guitar, jeez...Tone Zone, Crunch Lab/Liquifire, HFH (both positions), Air Norton (both positions), Norton (both positions), PAF Master set (Bridge pickup tried in both positions), Fred (both positions), X2N, D-Activator X or whatever that thing's called, Dimebucker, JB, Jazz, 59 neck, SH-5 Custom, PAF Pro, Steve's Special, AT-1, FS-1...maybe forgetting a few.

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The Pickup Place / Re: Humbucker From Hell: an alternate view
« on: January 09, 2016, 10:15:42 PM »
Weird. 

I don't find it bright, nor do I find the attack particularly stands out.  The low notes are too woody as well, lacking the bell-like thwack of a single.  I hear nothing strat like about it in any of the 20 ish guitars I've heard it in.  It's a low-wind PAF sounding pickup.  Which is just fine if you want a low-wind PAF, but not if you expect anything like a single coil.

That's what I DONT like about it, which is kind of the opposite if what you hear in it. 

Did you measure your volume pot?  Unhook the pickup and actually measure the resistance across the outer legs.  Sounds like there may be an issue there.
I would say your experience is more an anomaly than mine- everyone I've ever heard describe it (including DiMarzio) calls it a very bright pickup with a very prominent pick attack.

Are you using an EL84 amp? 

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The Pickup Place / Re: Humbucker From Hell: an alternate view
« on: January 09, 2016, 10:14:31 PM »
Weird. 

I don't find it bright, nor do I find the attack particularly stands out.  The low notes are too woody as well, lacking the bell-like thwack of a single.  I hear nothing strat like about it in any of the 20 ish guitars I've heard it in.  It's a low-wind PAF sounding pickup.  Which is just fine if you want a low-wind PAF, but not if you expect anything like a single coil.

That's what I DONT like about it, which is kind of the opposite if what you hear in it. 

Did you measure your volume pot?  Unhook the pickup and actually measure the resistance across the outer legs.  Sounds like there may be an issue there.
I haven't, but there's no need to-I've had over a dozen pickups in this spot, same pot.  It's the pickup.

I agree that it doesn't actually sound like a Strat - but when DiMarzio and other reviewers say there is something sort of single coil like about it, I know what they mean, not because it actually sounds like a single coil but because that's the closest thing you can use to describe how different it is from a conventional humbucker. It is not a traditional PAF sound in any way, other than it being low output (even that aspect is not necessarily reflective of a vintage PAF due to wind and resistance differences in early, very unscientific PAFs).

I change pickups in one guitar or another on average 3 times a month.  No, what I hear is just the Humbucker From Hell interacting with my ears.

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The Pickup Place / Humbucker From Hell: an alternate view
« on: January 09, 2016, 01:22:25 PM »
So I've got the HFH in the neck of my main ride, a long-tenon set neck mahogany/maple carved top double cutaway.  The guitar is warm but bright if you can imagine.  Woody, sharp, complex.

I'm here to tell you, the last word I would use for this pickup is "transparent" (and this is not my first go round with the HFH).  Transparent, to me, means the sound of your guitar's wood comes through.  By contrast, HFH makes HFH come through.  It took all my guitar's hard earned harmonic complexity, bound it, gagged it, and shoved it in a closet where no one could hear it cry for escape.

Despite the low resistance (5.89Kohm- single coil range), the effect of the pickup is very compressed.  Notes do not evolve harmonically after the attack- not at ALL.  For some, this might be a good thing. If you want absolute evenness between your notes, and have decent technique, this will be a good pickup for you. But for me, the effect is an extremely focused midrange voice that is absolutely flat, No maturation in the tone as the note sustains, with an extremely loud and again compressed highest frequency range - in other words, your pick attack comes through like a freshly sharpened axe slamming into a steel plate.  Soften your attack? CLANG.  Change pick angle? CLANG.  You follow.  It's extremely consistent in that piercing high end click.

So even in spite of its brightness, it's actually a fairly forgiving pickup if your right hand technique is lacking. I am hating it at the moment because I want my electrics to respond like acoustics - I want my hands in charge, and with this pick up I feel like whatever I put into it comes out exactly the same.

I've been guilty of yanking a pickup impulsively, so I'm going to give it a chance. But I had to chime in not for the sake of bashing it, but because I think there's a shortage of critical listening based feedback on this pickup, and a surplus of opinions based on previous reviews and party line noise. That said, it does what it is described to do. There is something strat like about it, although without the scooped midrange, and sweetness of a strat neck pup.  It is bright as hell. I have no idea how John Petrucci used the Tone Zone / Humbucker from Hell combination live, since EQing one to sound its best yields the worst possible settings for the other.

I'd love more feedback.

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